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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2012, 01:43:48 PM »
Definitely Dare If You Dare....it's my least favorite out of STP's entire collection. The main riff is incredibly dull and repetitive, and the lyrics are horrific. Fast as I Can is boarderline filler for me as well.

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2012, 05:42:17 PM »
Id say probably Bagman or Dare if you dare. But its hard for me cause Self titled is my 2nd favorite stp album right under Tiny music.

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2012, 05:45:37 PM »
What's with the DIYD hate? My favorite song off the album

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2012, 05:49:58 PM »
I know I've mentioned this before, but fillers aren't the songs you don't like from an album. Though Dare If You Dare may be some people's least favorite song off Peace album, I highly doubt that it was filler.

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2012, 05:57:20 PM »
DIYD is a cool tune, I just think its a little too John lennon beatlesque. Also in the chorus i hear All the young dudes. Id still like to hear a live version of this song if anyone has a clip of it.

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2012, 07:06:03 PM »
Definitely Dare If You Dare....it's my least favorite out of STP's entire collection. The main riff is incredibly dull and repetitive, and the lyrics are horrific. Fast as I Can is boarderline filler for me as well.
Are you kidding? that's Dean's pride an joy, he raved about it in so many intervies. There's no way that was intended as a filler. It's a great song.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2012, 07:53:48 PM »
Though not a big fan of Self Titled, I have listened to it in its entirety quite a few times now. Bagman to me is obvious filler. Also, be it unintended, Dare if you dare comes across as inevitable filler. Another I think to me at least is First Kiss on Mars. Not a huge fan of the album, but Take A Load Off is pretty good as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2012, 08:08:28 PM »
filler songs are songs the band probably don't feel too highly of and therefore wouldn't play live. I know they haven't played most of the album live yet, but they did play bagman and dare if you dare for a while, if they thought they were crap they wouldn't play them.

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2012, 10:14:49 PM »
filler songs are songs the band probably don't feel too highly of and therefore wouldn't play live. I know they haven't played most of the album live yet, but they did play bagman and dare if you dare for a while, if they thought they were crap they wouldn't play them.

Filler are songs used to take up space on an album. As far as I'm concerned, STP have never written a filler song.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #84 on: February 26, 2012, 11:28:41 AM »
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2012, 04:09:12 PM »
filler songs are songs the band probably don't feel too highly of and therefore wouldn't play live. I know they haven't played most of the album live yet, but they did play bagman and dare if you dare for a while, if they thought they were crap they wouldn't play them.

Filler are songs used to take up space on an album. As far as I'm concerned, STP have never written a filler song.

Yeah, I agree. I really resent this term people are throwing around "filler."

Want to know a great example of filler? How about every song written by Godsmack?

Stone Temple Pilots has a purpose behind every song that they write. Don't mistake songs you don't happen to like with filler. Filler is written by a band with very little integrity. It's when a band is trying to make a deadline, and they pull something out of their asses in order to FILL up a full length album.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2012, 04:16:42 PM »
FKOM is a STP classic IMO .. its a song Ill never tire of hearing, now I feel like hearing it

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2012, 04:36:26 PM »
filler songs are songs the band probably don't feel too highly of and therefore wouldn't play live. I know they haven't played most of the album live yet, but they did play bagman and dare if you dare for a while, if they thought they were crap they wouldn't play them.

Filler are songs used to take up space on an album. As far as I'm concerned, STP have never written a filler song.

Yeah, I agree. I really resent this term people are throwing around "filler."

Want to know a great example of filler? How about every song written by Godsmack?

Stone Temple Pilots has a purpose behind every song that they write. Don't mistake songs you don't happen to like with filler. Filler is written by a band with very little integrity. It's when a band is trying to make a deadline, and they pull something out of their asses in order to FILL up a full length album.

Agree 100%. In fact, that's what I said two years ago when this thread was started. Nobody listened. lol

They spent over a year writing material for S/T, ending up with 18 songs that they dwindled down to 12. None of the songs were introduced at the last moment to fill out the album. So there is no filler.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2012, 04:55:05 PM »

filler songs are songs the band probably don't feel too highly of and therefore wouldn't play live. I know they haven't played most of the album live yet, but they did play bagman and dare if you dare for a while, if they thought they were crap they wouldn't play them.


Filler are songs used to take up space on an album. As far as I'm concerned, STP have never written a filler song.


Yeah, I agree. I really resent this term people are throwing around "filler."


Want to know a great example of filler? How about every song written by Godsmack?


Stone Temple Pilots has a purpose behind every song that they write. Don't mistake songs you don't happen to like with filler. Filler is written by a band with very little integrity. It's when a band is trying to make a deadline, and they pull something out of their asses in order to FILL up a full length album.


 In fact, that's what I said two years ago when this thread was started. Nobody listened. lol


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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #89 on: February 27, 2012, 05:48:13 PM »
If u think about it no stp album was really rushed. These guys always make sure their satisfied with what they put on tape. Sure stp wrote songs last minute on albums but they were obviously amazing. Huckleberry crumble for example, i thought Robert wrote that after they started recording the album already. But i could be wrong. either way its a classic tune and imo the whole album is.

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #90 on: February 27, 2012, 06:08:03 PM »
If u think about it no stp album was really rushed. These guys always make sure their satisfied with what they put on tape. Sure stp wrote songs last minute on albums but they were obviously amazing. Huckleberry crumble for example, i thought Robert wrote that after they started recording the album already. But i could be wrong. either way its a classic tune and imo the whole album is.

I've never heard that about Huckleberry.

Also, Purple, with the exception of Big Empty and Lounge Fly, was recorded in just a month. I think that goes to show that it doesn't matter how long it takes to get a song down. A good song is a good song. However, if a band is just writing to BS a song to complete an album, that's different. In that case, a good song may be a good song, but it's also filler. The DeLeo's are not ones to take an album lightly and would never put some half-assed song on an album just so they could be done with it. To me, that's one of the best things about STP.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #91 on: February 29, 2012, 08:28:15 AM »
Definitely Dare If You Dare....it's my least favorite out of STP's entire collection. The main riff is incredibly dull and repetitive, and the lyrics are horrific. Fast as I Can is boarderline filler for me as well.

Quite sure Scott wouldn't fill an album with a song which mentions Michael's death.

IMHO, Bagman is the one.
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #92 on: February 29, 2012, 11:47:56 AM »
It might just be me, but I honestly think calling any song a filler is a complete slap in the face to a band. You have no idea what the song might actually mean, or what inspired it. Just because you're not digging a certain track doesn't mean it should be labeled as a "filler".

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #93 on: February 29, 2012, 11:53:34 AM »
It might just be me, but I honestly think calling any song a filler is a complete slap in the face to a band. You have no idea what the song might actually mean, or what inspired it. Just because you're not digging a certain track doesn't mean it should be labeled as a "filler".

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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #94 on: February 29, 2012, 12:35:40 PM »
It might just be me, but I honestly think calling any song a filler is a complete slap in the face to a band. You have no idea what the song might actually mean, or what inspired it. Just because you're not digging a certain track doesn't mean it should be labeled as a "filler".

That's true, but I can definitely see where people are coming from when they are saying some of the songs on the album are "fillers".  When we don't see STP performing more than 1 or 2 of the songs on the album any more, and many that weren't even played once, we might wonder if the cd was perhaps a cash grab.  I'm not too sure that it was, but I could definitely see that it might have been.  I enjoyed the album and don't really hate any of the tracks, but my neutral views on some of the songs might have changed if they would've performed them live.

And during the recording sessions, STP said that they were tired of playing the same songs every night so that is why they had an incentive to work on some new material.  Wtf happened?  They ended up playing only a 4 song max from the new album and never even played their second single live.  That was the official crash-and-burn point of the album.  What happened to Huckleberry Crumble or Hickory Dichotomy being a single?  That never happened either.

So, yes, it can be argued whether STP put all of their music ingenuity and effort into the album.  But it is almost undeniable that they really did not put much sweat and effort to support the album once it was released.  Now whether it was because of Scott or lack of album sales, is another debate.
 
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #95 on: February 29, 2012, 02:52:39 PM »
It might just be me, but I honestly think calling any song a filler is a complete slap in the face to a band. You have no idea what the song might actually mean, or what inspired it. Just because you're not digging a certain track doesn't mean it should be labeled as a "filler".

That's true, but I can definitely see where people are coming from when they are saying some of the songs on the album are "fillers".  When we don't see STP performing more than 1 or 2 of the songs on the album any more, and many that weren't even played once, we might wonder if the cd was perhaps a cash grab.  I'm not too sure that it was, but I could definitely see that it might have been.  I enjoyed the album and don't really hate any of the tracks, but my neutral views on some of the songs might have changed if they would've performed them live.

And during the recording sessions, STP said that they were tired of playing the same songs every night so that is why they had an incentive to work on some new material.  Wtf happened?  They ended up playing only a 4 song max from the new album and never even played their second single live.  That was the official crash-and-burn point of the album.  What happened to Huckleberry Crumble or Hickory Dichotomy being a single?  That never happened either.

So, yes, it can be argued whether STP put all of their music ingenuity and effort into the album.  But it is almost undeniable that they really did not put much sweat and effort to support the album once it was released.  Now whether it was because of Scott or lack of album sales, is another debate.

I think that both make valid points. We have no idea what inspired them to write their songs and what they themselves think about them in the end, so it's not really our place to call any of them "fillers". When we do, it's mostly base on personal taste.

On the other hand, it's true what DeadAndNotForSale says, about them pretty much dropping the ball after the album was released. And this made me remember something I read in an interview with Scott from the "Happy" era, that you can find here:

http://www.belowempty.com/forum/index.php?topic=6149.0

Is it true STP are having troubles with their record company?

“Oh   yeah. Atlantic Records are a skeleton of what they used to be. I don’t   even know anyone over there except Craig Callman […] he heads the label   and claims that he was there from the beginning, which is a load of   shite. It was Danny Goldberg who was the head of the label and Kurt’s   (Cobain) manager.If you recall a couple of records that were   made in the 70’s” (the magazine thinks Scott’s talking about Neil   Young’s ‘Trans’ and The Velvet Underground’s ‘Metal Machine Music’) “We   (STP) have two albums that we owe Atlantic and we’ll definitely deliver   them, but I think I might be playing a lot of drums on those records”.



They might not be really inspired to deliver their best material while they remain signed to Atlantic Records, or to give the albums the extra push that they might need...I wonder if the re-issue would count as the final album they owe Atlantic or if they still have to make a new one for them...
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Re: In YOUR opinion, what are the "Filler" songs on this album?
« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2012, 07:23:48 PM »

They might not be really inspired to deliver their best material while they remain signed to Atlantic Records, or to give the albums the extra push that they might need...I wonder if the re-issue would count as the final album they owe Atlantic or if they still have to make a new one for them...

I don't know if they'd hold off on their best material until they're done with Atlantic. From what I can tell, they were really excited about this new album. It's still, I'd argue, one of their better albums, but that's just me...

I don't get it, if they're so eager to leave Atlantic, couldn't they just release a live album, or an EP?
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